Someone replied to that post "notice how fast everything is to launch", but did Visual Basic really start up that fast back in the day? I'm old enough to have used XP as a kid, and I remember the languorous boot times, but I never programmed on it. My guess is that XP is running in a VM on modern hardware in this GIF.
I remember that not having the right VB DLL was a frequent issue when trying to run EXE files produced by people with visual basic. For me, this Windows "nocode" environment was a big gatekeeper which hindered me in learning programming. It may sound a bit sentimental, but I learned C with Linux, because docs where readily available and open. I literally read man pages.
Today the tooling is just better. Just think, for instance, of the go and rust tool chains which easily produce ready to ship EXE files. Classical toolkits such as Qt still are around.
I remember not being able to get my C++ compiler to work on Windows and I remember struggling to get basic Linux functionality working. Software was hard back then.
Yes, that sentiments such as "omg, I disagree with this website so I can't stand the unbearable compromise to my morals and visit a link there" is hysteria, and it's best people get over it.
Did I say anything about morals or compromise or anything? Now you're just ranting to the void about a straw man, not furthering conversation in any way. I think you're the only one who needs to get over something here: the fact that people might not want to visit a certain website. The shock and horror! Take your negativity elsewhere.
There was a time when there were some VB clone languages including
Envelop Basic: https://members.tripod.com/joe__shmoe/indext.htm
These tools did a pretty good job of creating forms and software.
Rebol was another language that was sleek at making UI Form:
https://www.rebol.com/index-lang.html
Now a days, you need to master many technologies to create one
UI component. Too much bloat.
I used PureBasic back in like 2003 or 2004. It was super simple. Looks like it's still around and the site looks unchanged since then. Probably crazy fast on modern hardware
Would've thought the explosion of web apps would kick MS and Apple in the pants, but here we are. Native dev is still annoying and is arguably getting harder. There's no reason making an app work for just one specific platform should have more friction than doing it for all of them.
I mean...at least for GTK on Linux, you still can? It won't be 10 seconds (probably closer to 30-40 seconds) since you have to go through a couple of prompts to name it, decide a license, etc., but with:
Someone replied to that post "notice how fast everything is to launch", but did Visual Basic really start up that fast back in the day? I'm old enough to have used XP as a kid, and I remember the languorous boot times, but I never programmed on it. My guess is that XP is running in a VM on modern hardware in this GIF.
I can confirm that it took way longer than that on actual contemporary hardware.
I remember that not having the right VB DLL was a frequent issue when trying to run EXE files produced by people with visual basic. For me, this Windows "nocode" environment was a big gatekeeper which hindered me in learning programming. It may sound a bit sentimental, but I learned C with Linux, because docs where readily available and open. I literally read man pages.
Today the tooling is just better. Just think, for instance, of the go and rust tool chains which easily produce ready to ship EXE files. Classical toolkits such as Qt still are around.
I remember not being able to get my C++ compiler to work on Windows and I remember struggling to get basic Linux functionality working. Software was hard back then.
If you did it in Delphi it will work no matter what.
Can view without subjecting yourself to "X": https://xcancel.com/tsoding/status/1998403967718400376
We're adults, we can handle it.
Was there an actual point or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?
Yes, that sentiments such as "omg, I disagree with this website so I can't stand the unbearable compromise to my morals and visit a link there" is hysteria, and it's best people get over it.
You cannot read the full thread unless you have an account and are logged in. That's reason enough to appreciate a mirror link like that.
I have no issue with Twitter's values or ownership. The website is just annoying and laggy, so I appreciate a readonly mirror.
Did I say anything about morals or compromise or anything? Now you're just ranting to the void about a straw man, not furthering conversation in any way. I think you're the only one who needs to get over something here: the fact that people might not want to visit a certain website. The shock and horror! Take your negativity elsewhere.
There was a time when there were some VB clone languages including Envelop Basic: https://members.tripod.com/joe__shmoe/indext.htm These tools did a pretty good job of creating forms and software. Rebol was another language that was sleek at making UI Form: https://www.rebol.com/index-lang.html Now a days, you need to master many technologies to create one UI component. Too much bloat.
I used PureBasic back in like 2003 or 2004. It was super simple. Looks like it's still around and the site looks unchanged since then. Probably crazy fast on modern hardware
You can still do this!
The only difference is that a lot of apps prioritize cross platform UIs over good, fast native UIs.
WinForms and WPF are still well supported.
Would've thought the explosion of web apps would kick MS and Apple in the pants, but here we are. Native dev is still annoying and is arguably getting harder. There's no reason making an app work for just one specific platform should have more friction than doing it for all of them.
In HTML
Sure, but that's not a native GUI app.
Take a look at Slint or Avalonia if you miss this experience.
And I'll take needing an internet connection over having to install Visual Basic from a stack of CDs.
I mean...at least for GTK on Linux, you still can? It won't be 10 seconds (probably closer to 30-40 seconds) since you have to go through a couple of prompts to name it, decide a license, etc., but with:
https://apps.gnome.org/Builder/
You can do the same thing. In fact, this was the exact method I used to make a few GTK apps.
but then GTK has issues with some DEs supposedly
twitter.com?
Is that from OP or HN?